Dating A Zildjian Cymbals

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You currently have javascript disabled. Several functions may not work. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. I spoke with a gentleman at the Zildjian factory the other day, who has been there for a very long time. Different stamps were used interchangeably throughout the years, some dating vintage zildjian cymbals to keep trademarks alive and that sometimes, different stamping machines might have 3 or 4 different stamps going at once, in the interest of production.

If he's been there 30 years that means he started in the 's which means he probably doesn't really know much about things that happened in the 's, 50's, 60's or even 70's. Almost all the information that is available about vintage drums and cymbals has been gathered up by enthusiasts who are outside of the companies that made the products. This is where we get serial number tables and cymbal stamp timelines that can help us get ballpark creationist radioactive dating when something was made.

I agree with K. That's why we'll say stuff like, "That looks like a '50s era, since it's missing the three dots So I think Dating vintage zildjian cymbals wants to promote the fact that they've dating vintage zildjian cymbals using serial numbers boring for almost 20 years now. I wish companies took more pride in their histories, but it just doesn't help their bottom line, so there is no incentive to care. I have a beautiful Westinghouse radio fromthat says "Ready For Television" on it.

It was my grandmothers. I wrote to Westinghouse for some info on dating vintage zildjian cymbals model and they basically told me, "we don't make radios anymore The "old" guys at the factory are purported to be notoriously bad when it comes to the historical timeline of stamps. I think the lathing, hammering, profiles, and other characteristics speak for themselves. Once you know what to look for, you can roughly date a cymbal speed dating boston valentines day even dating vintage zildjian cymbals the stamp.

Theres plenty of info on a somewhat valid way to determine the decade made when it come to A Zildjians. I read about how the first cymbals made were by those who were brought to Turkey from Armenia by the Sultan dating vintage zildjian cymbals produce zils and gongs. I think it was Avedis the 1st that created the perfect alloy for sound although his intent was to formulate the mixture into gold. For his excellence in his craft, he was awarded some wealth from the Sultan as well as a last name which was altered to become ZIldjian.

With this money and name, he opened his own cymbal factory Avedis the 3rd first name for males alternated ever other generation came to US and worked at a candy factory before opening his own candy manufacturing store. His uncle asked him to return to continue the family business Avedis opened up for business and hit harlem and gave drummers of the jazz age what they wanted in cymbals. The rest is pretty much well know as the Avedis Zildjian Company.

It depends on the level of proof you are looking for. Dating cymbals from the die stamp pressed into them, possibly augmented by other morphological features which distinguish late 50s from s the two eras missing the three dots "issue" has been established for some years now. However, the person Bill Hartrick who claims to have started it all has yet to publish his raw data or even sufficient summary data so that his claims can be tested and independently examined.

He has dating vintage zildjian cymbals "unpublished" as many copies of his timeline as he can manage and in place of that there are a number of sites which have timelines which are reputed to be flawed in various ways. He has also so alienated Zildjian by saying unpleasant things about them that they won't have anything to do with him. The only reliable data which can provide a degree of "proof" about the age of cymbals and how this relates to their die stamp trademark and other morphological features is to provide at least a table which lists each cymbal where a date is reliably known from some other independent information, what the date of the cymbal would be using a proposed "timeline" based on die stamp trademark and other morphological features and take your analysis from there.

The independent information you need is a purchase receipt, or a drum kit which is dateable and purchased at the same time. Those are the most reliable sorts of information correct me if I've forgotten something else this is just off the top of my head. Bill Hartrick claims to have done this but has never produced even summary numbers to say something like "stamp X being late s is based on 13 strong cases".

Memory of purchaser is not a reliable independent source. And purchase receipts only give a lower limit on age because cymbals can be in stock in a drum shop for several years before being sold. Professionals who do research in historical archaeology deal with all these sorts of issues all the time and appropriate techniques are well known. None of this is uncharted territory. Just because you can make distinctions between different die stamp trademarks or morphology does not automatically imply these are meaningful distinctions in terms of chronology.

I've encouraged Bill Hartrick to publish the data which is dating vintage zildjian cymbals to assess how well the data support a particular timeline, but no luck so far. Note I'm not saying that I don't believe anything about Bill's timeline. Just that insufficient data has dating vintage zildjian cymbals presented to "prove" it. Without the proper evidence and analysis, you just don't get on the scoreboard of science.

Bill has done a heroic amount of detailed research and it is a shame that for whatever reason he isn't willing to publish it. Pardon my digging up an old thread, but I searched on Zildjian dating and this thread came up. There were several others of course, but not so interesting or worth bumping. I used to use Cymbalholics as my reference for Zildjian dates, but of course that forum went belly-up years ago.

Looks like they might come back, but it's not there yet. I understand the stamps are not reliable, as per the point of this thread, but if there is a page that gives as much info as we think we know today, that would be useful! Cymbalholic is alive and well after a bit of a blackout a few months ago.

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